Tom Gilson

More Evil Than Any Atheist I’ve Confronted

Related, published one day after this post: About That Headline…

Westboro. Evil in action.

Christians, it’s time to shout them down. Sure, they’re tiny and inconsequential, but they’ve learned how to manipulate the media to amplify their message. Of course the media are all to willing to help.

There is indeed a such a thing as a clearly identifiable fake Christianity. I’ve heard skeptics and atheists deny it, but not from a base of knowledge. Westboro’s “Christianity” is consistently anti-biblical.

I repudiate what they do. To be honest, I don’t know which of these errors God would rate as more evil, but for my part hate it worse than anything I’ve seen from the atheists, because at least the atheists aren’t twisting the name of God to support their errors.

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20 thoughts on “More Evil Than Any Atheist I’ve Confronted

  1. Atheists are evil? This may be a separate thread to this post, but I am interested in the basis of this claim if anyone cares to articulate it.

  2. Romans 3:9-18. It applies to any person whose life has not been regenerated in Christ.

    But hey, while I’m at it I might as well flag you on your attempt to twist my words. Did I say “atheists are evil”? No. I wouldn’t do that without explaining it more clearly than I did here. That is to say, not without placing it in context of Romans 3:9-18, the universal fallenness of humans, and the solution through Christ’s grace received not through any one’s goodness but as a gift of God.

  3. OK. Curious why you pick on atheists I must admit. There are many others that don’t meet that criteria.

  4. I “picked on” atheists because they happen to be the group with which I’m most often in dispute here on this blog. If I were more often in dispute with some other group, I would have named them. The point is, no matter how much I might disagree with the one group (atheists), there’s another one I consider worse: Westboro.

  5. GrahamH, I’m not expecting a reply to this but you should ask yourself why you manufactured an argument instead of saying, “Right on, Tom! I’m glad to hear you strongly condemn these hate mongers” .

    If anyone gets the chance they should watch the documentary called The Most Hated Family In America. The follow-up documentary filmed some years later (I’m sure you can find it online somewhere) was quite tragic really. Underneath all the hatred and foul behaviour there was a lot of pain stemming mostly from broken familial relationships.

    interesting at least one of the children of Phelps is now an atheist who actively campaigns against the WBC and I would assume is no friend of Christianity or theism in general.

  6. Hi Billy,

    Re: “GrahamH, I’m not expecting a reply to this but you should ask yourself why you manufactured an argument instead of saying, “Right on, Tom! I’m glad to hear you strongly condemn these hate mongers” .

    It seems that this is what you did isn’t it? I asked a reasonable question for clarification. I found it an arresting statement to make atheists an accurate barometer to compare with hate mongers Westboro. I don’t think I made too much of a fuss about it or accused anyone of religious bigotry against non-believers. Is this really something worth further debate here?

    But I am happy to agree with your suggestion, and be the very first person here to say: Right on, Tom! I’m glad to hear you strongly condemn these hate mongers (in relation to Westboro that is, not atheists).

  7. I think some real Christians need to show up everywhere they protest and stand between them and what they’re protesting. I wish I could but I live pretty far from the places they go.

  8. Hi Tom,

    1. “More” is a determiner so you did imply atheists are evil. You didn’t say “more evil than puppies” for example, because that’s meaningless.

    2. Aren’t we the same amount of evil?

    3. Do you have a plan or suggestion for shouting them down? Because I’m pretty confident everyone here is on board. We all think they’re more evil than atheists, too. 🙂

    Cheers
    Shane

  9. Pamela:

    I think some real Christians need to show up everywhere they protest and stand between them and what they’re protesting. I wish I could but I live pretty far from the places they go.

    But why do we even know about the “WBC”? Could it be because they fit a stereotype about Christians and Christianity that members of the mainstream media believe and want to promote?

  10. I agree. And I also agree that it’s important for Christians to call them out and publicly separate authentic Christianity from whatever it is you call WBC.

    I wrote the man a few years ago and then posted the letter online. That was my way of doing so. (I never got a response.) At the very least, no one who reads it can continue to use WBC and Phelps as an excuse to dismiss Christianity out of hand. An Open Letter to Fred Phelps.

    If they came into my area, I wouldn’t have a problem standing between them and the military funeral or whatever it was they were raising cain about.

  11. Atheists and WBC?

    Well, Westboro was invited to the Reason Rally as a representative of Christianity, when others were told to stay away.

    One must assume that the organizers thought their position to be more, for lack of a better word, reasonable than others.

  12. TrentC, I led one of those other groups that were told to stay away—as if the National Mall were a place an advocacy group could demand that others stay away from! It was an interesting experience, to say the least.

    Westboro’s invitation was not sent by the Reason Rally organizers, but by one of the smaller groups involved. Any assumption drawn from their being invited would be unlikely to be correct.

  13. As an atheist, I’m a little confused. Yes, I agree that the Westboro group are disgusting and represent the tiniest sliver of Christian thought. But why the comparison with atheists? I don’t remember atheists being known for hating much of anything–except Christian excesses just like this.

    (And in reading the comments I see that this point has already been raised.)

  14. Totally agree Tom! I have spent years debating atheists, with unfortunately a large percentage of their arguments boiling down to rather arrogant posturing they seem to think is reason. I learned a lot from those debates, how to counter their arguments and strengthen my own, but it was that arrogance that kept me coming back. I just couldn’t stand that attitude, and it honestly clouded my thinking of atheists as a group.

    But recently, my hometown was involved in a controversy with a nativity scene on the city courthouse property. Rather than invoking the strategy of the Freedom from Religion Foundation, an atheist had asked to be able to put up a Winter Solstice on the same property, and it was denied. So a humanist group sent a letter asking the nativity scene to be taken down, in the interest of fairness.

    Personally, I didn’t have a problem with either solution – both or neither is fair. But the reaction from my fellow Christians in this town was revolting. They were furious, demanding that the atheist get out of town, demanding to know his/her identity, etc. A group even decided they had figured out who it was, and was going to go to their house and have a “prayer line” outside, which was nothing but bullying and intimidation wrapped in “prayer”.

    After that, I have trouble thinking of atheists, even the Richard Dawkins variety, as any sort of threat to the faith. It’s Christians behaving like that, and claiming it to be godly, that presents the true threat to Christianity.

  15. GrahamH, I respectfully disagree with the counter charge you make. It looked to me like you were very much reading between the lines when in the space of two comments you managed to think that this post was implying that atheists are evil and that Tom was “picking” on them.

    However, in your defence Tom has admitted in another post that his heading was poorly phrased. So if you were simply looking for clarification then I’ve no beef and I both apologise and withdraw my comment.

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