Faith and Reason

For those who think faith and reason were recently united by contemporary apologists trying to escape 20th and 21st century embarrassment: Key Christian Thinkers on Faith and Reason.

Comments 5
  1. John Moore

    Well of course Christians will claim their faith is reasonable. And they’re free to define faith anyway they like. Good for them. That doesn’t mean atheists must believe it, though. It’s fine for atheists to use their own definition of faith. Let the discussions go on!

  2. Tom Gilson

    If Christians use one definition and atheists use another, then unless we’re careful to define terms each time will continue to talk past each other. The discussions will be a farce. Is that you want going on?

  3. John Moore

    Defining words is another way of stating an argument. Of course we must define carefully and understand each other. If we can agree on the definitions of key words like faith, then we’ll agree on quite a lot already.

  4. G. Rodrigues

    @John Moore:

    It’s fine for atheists to use their own definition of faith.

    I am an atheist and the definition you are using is not my definition. What are you saying, that a Christian cannot be an atheist? Of course it can, I defined it so. What probably is tripping you up, is that you are using a different definition of definition that I am using. I do not define a definition as you define a definition; I find your definition of definition too stifling. As someone wrote in another thread:

    atheists think people created words and are free to give them various meanings depending on circumstances and utility.

    Which by the way is just further proof that I am indeed an atheist — I just gave different meanings to several words depending on circumstances and utility! Not that I need to give proof of anything. I refuse to play by your definitional games. It just occurred to me that I want to give a different meaning to “meaning” and “utility”. And “Occurred”. And “And”. And “.”. All according to circumstances and utility, that is. This is fun.

    note: btw, I am using a different definition of “fun”.

  5. Crude

    Good for them. That doesn’t mean atheists must believe it, though. It’s fine for atheists to use their own definition of faith.

    What is this I hear about “strawmanning”? I just happen to be representing your argument as I think you really mean it. There’s nothing wrong with that – it’s fine for me to argue against what I interpret you as stating, not what you believe you’ve actually said.

    Really, Grod just made this point as well. I doubt the lesson will be learned.

    Insert here some inane line praising discussions for their own sake.

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