Talk: Where Today’s Moral Confusion Came From and What We Can Do About It


I rolled into town a bit early last Friday, heading into a weekend of ministry with Immanuel Ministry Church in Horse Cave, Kentucky. I’d been invited there by Pastor Phillip Trent, shortly after he heard me speak on the radio about my book Critical Conversations. He said he was seeing gay activism and moral confusion as a pressing issue there, as it is everywhere.

Being ahead of schedule that day I decided to take the opportunity to explore a while. Some visitors would have gone straight to the caverns underneath the town. What caught my eye instead was the used bookstore on the town’s main plaza. That’s how it is for book junkies, I guess.

I greeted the proprietor with a comment on how impressive the store was. He said with a wry smile, “It’s tolerable.” I answered, “I don’t know. I’m not sure I could tolerate being around so many books all the time.” He knew what I was talking about: it’s the old saying, “so many books, so little time.”

I picked out four books to buy, then sat down to chat in the overstuffed chair next to him. He told me he was an ordained Baptist minister but preferred now to follow “the way of Epicurus” — naturalistic atheism. He said all he did in “ministry” now was marrying people, including a same-sex couple the very next day after the Supreme Court legalized such unions last summer. He was one of the first in the country to do so, under that Supreme Court ruling.

We continued to have a pleasant conversation, practicing the true tolerance of agreeing to disagree.

Paster Trent was right: it’s an issue everywhere.

On Friday night I shared a message with the church on where these social changes came from and what we can do about them, followed by an extended and energetic question-and-answer time. The recording above is of that talk, not including the Q&A. It’s 38 minutes long.

(I always forget to take pictures when I’m traveling and ministering like this, which is really a shame when spending time with such great people. So for this post’s image above I’ve resorted to the old standby Google street view of the church.)

Image Credit(s): Google Street View.