The Secret Things of God: Interview with Henry Cloud

April 4th 2008

Dr. Henry Cloud’s DVD on The Secret Things of God has been available for just a few weeks now. It’s a teaching DVD, based on a book of the same name. It’s well worth viewing. It’s worthwhile on one important level, in that he’s an entertaining speaker–he has a sense of humor and a long list of great stories to tell. More importantly, he has unusual insight into what makes people tick.

I’ve worked with Dr. Cloud on many occasions. A Christian psychologist who has an outstanding grip on how to interpret modern psychology within a solid Biblical worldview framework, he has consulted with our mission agency regarding many team issues and personnel matters. He and John Townsend co-authored the multi-million selling Boundaries. Three of Cloud’s lesser-known books comprise a strong Biblical theology of personal growth character development, and leadership. They are, respectively, Changes That Heal, How People Grow (with John Townsend), and Integrity: The Courage to Meet the Demands of Reality. Working with him, I had the opportunity to develop a leadership assessment based partly on the Changes That Heal model, which for a while was a part of his Ultimate Leadership workshops.

The Secret Things of God is a response to Rhonda Byrne’s New Age bestseller, The Secret. Byrne claims to have discovered a revolutionary new way for all of us to get just what we want out of life: “The Law of Attraction.”

“When you think about and feel those good things that you want, you have immediately tuned yourself to that frequency, which then causes the energy of all those things to vibrate to you, and they appear in your life. The law of attraction says that like attracts like. You are an energy magnet, so you electrically energize everything to you and electrically energize yourself to everything you want. Human beings manage their own magnetizing energy, because no one outside of them can think or feel for them, and it is thoughts and feelings that create our frequencies.”

I’ve already reviewed her book on this blog. Most of it is, to put it mildly, rampant nonsense; but that didn’t stop it from being a wild sales success. I had to wonder why so many people would go for it. When I had the opportunity to interview Dr. Cloud about it, that was the first question I asked him. (The interview was not taped, so his answers here are as I transcribed and later edited them.)

You would not be able to sell a book that says if you crack an egg on your head, you’ll become a happy person. There has to be enough truth, or viability to intersect with people’s experience so they don’t think it’s a total kook job. It’s a broadly documented position that how we think affects outcomes. We have research in performance, as in the sales industry, that Optimistic vs. Pessimistic thinking styles really make a difference. The dumb optimists blow the smart pessimists out of the water all the time.

In clinical syndromes, changing thinking is a huge part of overcoming even clinical problems. So we begin with why would people even be open to it? It begins with an idea people can resonate with, and it’s “Oh, it’s all in my head.”

But that begins to break down, in that we do not control external reality, as has been often documented. So how can you take a plausible, verifiable starting point and get them to buy into the whole package? That’s the question.

The book has two other “hooks:” everybody, at some time in their lives, has wondered is there something beyond the material world I can see, the transcendent metaphysical question. The Secret says it’s the Law of Attraction. It’s impersonal, it doesn’t ask anything of you, it leaves you alone, it does what it does–like gravity.

And then–this may be one of the strongest motivators–is the book promises to be able to render an effect in the areas of life you care most deeply about–relationships, feeling, success.

Other than it’s a New Age bestseller that you disagree with, what have you been seeing in people that led you to write The Secret Things of God?

There were a number of books immediately written to bash it, to show disagreements. That was not why I wrote my book. I was contacted by the publisher of The Secret (Simon and Schuster). They were originally thinking that it says a lot of the things that intersect with what the Bible says, and they asked me to write the Christian version of The Secret, and show where The Secret came from the Bible. I said there are some areas where The Secret comes from the Bible, but there are many areas where it diverges….

We have a culture like what Paul saw in Acts 17, a very spiritual culture. You don’t get much argument about, “is spirituality or metaphysics viable.” To me, it was just like when Paul went to Athens. They’re interested in spiritual matters. These books sell millions of copies. The Secret is like the monument to the unknown God. And Paul says this God can be known, he’s right around us, and not only that, there are laws and “secrets” in the Bible that govern how you feel, how you succeed. They’re built in by the Designer, and they’re not really secrets.

Regarding the DVD, after the book came out and did well, Fox said they wanted to distribute a DVD short film on it, and what I decided to do with that was not to take a particularly sectarian approach, but to communicate that these laws are transcendent, whether you believe in them or not, whether you believe in a designer or not.

So I went and interviewed experts in all walks of life who have experience in the validity of these principles, whether or not they’re Christians…. The research validates God’s ways. “If you don’t believe me, believe the works I do.” “If you hold to my teachings, you’ll know the truth and the truth will set me free.” My point in this was God has given us his ways, try these teachings, find out, and you’ll find out God’s ways are true and it’s not stuff a bunch of guys made up.

You cover a number of principles on the DVD for “unlocking the treasures reserved for us.” Is one of them more urgent than any other in today’s culture? If you had to limit your message to just one of the points, which would it be?

There actually is. The problem is, it’s paradoxical; so people do not experience it as the most urgent. What I talk about in the book is there’s a secret that unlocks the others, the meta-secret, which is trust. For life to be in concert with its design, and for you to grow and your life to enlarge, and for you to get better, you must open yourself up to power sources and information sources outside yourself. And no matter what anybody is doing, if they are living the closed-circle individualistic “I’m-going-to-do-it-my-own-way” kind of life, no matter what it ultimately implodes.

But that doesn’t give people the answer they want. For example, I knew a guy who was starting a new company in an industry where he had been very successful. He went to someone else who had started another company in the same industry. He asked for advice, and the answer he was given was, “I put together a group of very wise people who would support me, give me good feedback, hold me accountable; and you need a support system where you get truth spoken into your life first.” The first guy was upset. He wanted practical stuff, tactical advice. And he went off and started doing his plan basically wise unto himself. Within a couple years was bankrupt. He had made millions and millions when he had the right structure around him, but not when he went off to do things on his own.

God says you have to open up and trust Him and some other people first, and if you can get into those two relationships, that’s the meta-secret. Because from there you can find anything you need. But if you have a broken “trust muscle,” you’re like a baby who can’t take in the milk.

We tend to want to go for the results first. I tell my own story about how nothing worked until Matthew 6:33 hit me: “Seek first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and then all these things will be added unto you.” Trust comes before the results, and we want the results first.

Just a brief reaction to this: among some Christian circles, psychology is very suspect. For Dr. Cloud to say there may be something of interest in The Secret is even more risky–in some circles. Note carefully what he has said though: not so much that the book has much by way of right answers, but that it has a good question: “Are there spiritual answers to how I can live a satisfying life?” Certainly much of the “secret” is pantheistic and wrong. There’s a kernel of truth, though, in its insistence that our thinking deeply affects our lives. Take that kernel to Scripture and you end up answering many people’s most urgently felt question.

Again, I strongly recommend Dr. Cloud to you, including this latest from him.

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The Not-So-Secret

February 10th 2008

Book Review

Rhonda Byrne’s The Secret, published over a year ago, still holds a spot on Barnes & Noble’s bestseller racks, and ranks second in book sales at Amazon.com. I finally read it yesterday. I’m getting ready to preview Henry Cloud’s soon-to-be-released DVD, The Secret Things of God, which he prepared in response to this book. (Dr. Cloud’s book of that same title is already available.) I’ll be viewing his DVD soon after I write this, and at some time soon I’ll post a review, but I can’t help jumping in with some of my own reactions first.

The Secret says we can all have a better life: better relationships, better health, better finances, better success, better everything. All it takes is better, more positive thinking, for “The Law of Attraction” guarantees we will attract whatever we think. If we expect bad things, we’ll attract them; if we count on good things coming our way, they assuredly will.

This is but one of eight spiritual guidance/self-help books currently in Amazon’s top 25. There’s a reason they sell so well: we all want better lives. We want more joy and success, less pain and loss. We (many of us) want more spiritual lives.

So I greet books like these with a sense of familiar recognition, a kind of appreciation for the desire that drives them. I wrote once before of one author’s view that materialism–the philosophy that denies any genuine spiritual reality behind the physical world–may be reaching its “expiration date.” Do you yearn for something spiritual to improve your life? I have the same longing, and I lament the loss of spirituality in our modern age.

So I wish Rhonda Byrne had really told us the true Secret for spirituality and joy, but sadly, she has not.

Like other New Agers at least as far back as Fritjof Capra, she tries to bridge the world of spirit and science through quantum mechanics (pp. 156-157):

“Let me explain how you are the most powerful transmission tower in the Universe. In simple terms, all energy vibrates at a frequency. Being energy, you also vibrate at a frequency, and what determines your frequency at any time is whatever you are thinking and feeling. All the things you want are made of energy, and they are vibrating too….

“Here is the ‘wow’ factor. When you think about what you want, and you emit that frequency, you cause the energy of what you want to vibrate at that frequency and you bring it to You! As you focus on what you want, you are changing the vibration of the atoms of that thing, and you are causing it to vibrate to You….

“When you think about and feel those good things that you want, you have immediately tuned yourself to that frequency, which then causes the energy of all those things to vibrate to you, and they appear in your life. The law of attraction says that like attracts like. You are an energy magnet, so you electrically energize everything to you and electrically energize yourself to everything you want.”

Her bridge won’t bear that weight. Clearly she wants to explain how the law of attraction works. There is no prayer-answering God in her worldview, so there has to be some other causal link between our minds and the things that happen to us. Her law of attraction does not say that if we are responsible, optimistic, and hard-working, we’ll see good things as the fruit of our good labors. Her law of attraction says that good things will come our way just by our expecting them, just by having a positive hope regarding what we want. There’s a great example of this right before that last quoted passage:

“I never studied science or physics at school, and yet when I read complex books on quantum physics I understood them perfectly because I wanted to understand them.”

You need not understand quantum mechanics as well as she thinks she does to know that the mysterious “frequency” of which she speaks must have (literally) unbelievable information-carrying capacity, as well as amazingly high power. It can read our thoughts to bring us a Mercedes instead of a lawn mower. Its power radiates outward to the drunk drivers of the world and lets their befuddled minds know to stay far from us–or maybe instead (she doesn’t quite say) it works on their cars to prevent them coming our way.

It’s a muddled mess, actually. Again, I can appreciate the desire to bring science and spirituality together into one happy household. We Christians know about seeking scientific evidences for God. We do not, however, try to make science actually do the spiritual work of our worldview. This seeking for support in quantum mechanics seems a desperate maneuver for legitimacy.

There is little warrant for this worldview, yet it attracts an awful of people. Maybe it’s because it lets us think so highly of ourselves:

“You are God in a physical body. You are Spirit in the flesh. You are Eternal Life expressing itself as You. You are a cosmic being. You are all power. You are all wisdom. You are all intelligence. You are perfection. You are magnificence. You are the creator, and you are creating the creation of You on this planet” (p. 164).

“The earth turns on its orbit for You, The oceans ebb and flow for You. The sun rises and sets for You. The stars come out for You. Every beautiful thing you see, every wondrous thing you experience, is all there, for You. Take a look around. None of it can exist, without You. No matter who you thought you were, now you know the Truth of Who You Really Are. You are the master of the Universe. You are the heir to the kingdom. You are the perfection of life. And now you know The Secret” (p. 183, the closing words of the book).

There’s plenty of feel-good power there. I can appreciate the need for it: in a messed-up world of failures and loss, sometimes all we want is to feel better about ourselves, and to have things go our way a bit more than they do. But we are not God in a physical body. We are not all power. We are not all wisdom. We are not perfection. The oceans do not ebb and flow for us, and the world could exist without us, as it did for long eons before we were born.

There has to be a more honest, more realistic, and better way to find what we’re looking for in life. And there is. It is the open secret, the true mystery revealed, the genuine way to living the life we were designed to live. It’s not based on false science but on spiritual reality. Its good outcomes are not delivered through some concocted electrical frequency, but through a personal relationship with an all-powerful Person who loves us. There is hope, and there is reason to be optimistic and positive, and there is a God who really answers prayers. Pain, loss, and death are unavoidable, but there is also resurrection. There is abundant life and genuine spiritual beauty in the true God, revealed in His Son, Jesus Christ.

The Secret, by Rhonda Byrne. 2006:Atria Books/Beyond Words; 216 pages.

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