Comments on: Gabriel Revelation (The Stone Tablet) http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/ Do Christians "hold the truth?" No, the Truth holds us... Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:27:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ed http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6919 Ed Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:56:07 +0000 http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6919 Thanks for providing the translation, Charlie. Thanks for providing the translation, Charlie.

]]> By: Holopupenko http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6916 Holopupenko Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:11:11 +0000 http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6916 Charlie: DUDE! Charlie:

DUDE!

]]> By: Charlie http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6912 Charlie Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:59:50 +0000 http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6912 The filter has the address. The filter has the address.

]]> By: Charlie http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6911 Charlie Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:58:48 +0000 http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6911 Translation (Semitic sounds in caps and\or italics) Column A (Lines 1-6 are unintelligible) 7. [… ]the sons of Israel …[…]… 8. […]… […]… 9. [… ]the word of yhw[h …]…[…] 10. […]… I\you asked … 11. yhwh, you ask me. Thus said the Lord of Hosts: 12. […]… from my(?) house, Israel, and I will tell the greatness(es?) of Jerusalem. 13. [Thus] said yhwh, the Lord of Israel: Behold, all the nations are 14. … against(?)\to(?) Jerusalem and …, 15. [o]ne, two, three, fourty(?) prophets(?) and the returners(?), 16. [and] the Hasidin(?). My servant, David, asked from before Ephraim(?) 17. [to?] put the sign(?) I ask from you. Because He said, (namely,) 18. [y]hwh of Hosts, the Lord of Israel: … 19. sanctity(?)\sanctify(?) Israel! In three days you shall know, that(?)\for(?) He said, 20. (namely,) yhwh the Lord of Hosts, the Lord of Israel: The evil broke (down) 21. before justice. Ask me and I will tell you what 22this bad 21plant is, 22. lwbnsd/r/k (=? [To me? in libation?]) you are standing, the messenger\angel. He 23. … (= will ordain you?) to Torah(?). Blessed be the Glory of yhwh the Lord, from 24. his seat. “In a little while”, qyTuT (=a brawl?\ tiny?) it is, “and I will shake the 25. … of? heaven and the earth”. Here is the Glory of yhwh the Lord of 26. Hosts, the Lord of Israel. These are the chariots, seven, 27. [un]to(?) the gate(?) of Jerusalem, and the gates of Judah, and … for the sake of 28. … His(?) angel, Michael, and to all the others(?) ask\asked 29. …. Thus He said, yhwh the Lord of Hosts, the Lord of 30. Israel: One, two, three, four, five, six, 31. [se]ven, these(?) are(?) His(?) angel …. 'What is it', said the blossom(?)\diadem(?) 32. …[…]… and (the?) … (= leader?/ruler?), the second, 33. … Jerusalem…. three, in\of the greatness(es?) of 34. […]…[…]… 35. […]…, who saw a man … working(?) and […]… 36. that he … […]… from(?) Jerusalem(?) 37. … on(?) … the exile(?) of …, 38. the exile(?) of …, Lord …, and I will see 39. …[…] Jerusalem, He will say, yhwh of 40. Hosts, … 41. […]… that will lift(?) … 42. […]… in all the 43. […]… 44. […]… Column B (Lines 45-50 are unintelligible) 51. Your people(?)\with you(?) …[…] 52. … the [me]ssengers(?)\[a]ngels(?)[ …]… 53. on\against His/My people. And …[…]… 54. [… ]three days(?). This is (that) which(?) …[… ]He(?) 55. the Lord(?)\these(?)[ …]…[…] 56. see(?) …[…] 57. closed(?). The blood of the slaughters(?)\sacrifices(?) of Jerusalem. For He said, yhwh of Hos[ts], 58. the Lord of Israel: For He said, yhwh of Hosts, the Lord of 59. Israel: … 60. […]… me(?) the spirit?\wind of(?) … 61. …[…]… 62. in it(?) …[…]…[…] 63. …[…]…[…] 64. …[…]… loved(?)/… …[…] 65. The three saints of the world\eternity from\of …[…] 66. […]… peace he? said, to\in you we trust(?) … 67. Inform him of the blood of this chariot of them(?) …[…] 68. Many lovers He has, yhwh of Hosts, the Lord of Israel … 69. Thus He said, (namely,) yhwh of Hosts, the Lord of Israel …: 70. Prophets have I sent to my people, three. And I say 71. that I have seen …[…]… 72. the place for the sake of(?) David the servant of yhwh[ …]…[…] 73. the heaven and the earth. Blessed be …[…] 74. men(?). “Showing mercy unto thousands”, … mercy […]. 75. Three shepherds went out to?/of? Israel …[…]. 76. If there is a priest, if there are sons of saints …[…] 77. Who am I(?), I (am?) Gabri’el the …(=angel?)… […] 78. You(?) will save them, …[…]… 79. from before You, the three si[gn]s(?), three …[….] 80. In three days …, I, Gabri’el …[?], 81. the Prince of Princes, …, narrow holes(?) …[…]… 82. to/for … […]… and the … 83. to me(?), out of three - the small one, whom(?) I took, I, Gabri’el. 84. yhwh of Hosts, the Lord of(?)[ Israel …]…[….] 85. Then you will stand …[…]… 86. …\ 87. in(?) … eternity(?)/… \ \ Translation (Semitic sounds in caps and\or italics)
Column A
(Lines 1-6 are unintelligible)
7. [… ]the sons of Israel …[…]…
8. […]… […]…
9. [… ]the word of yhw[h …]…[…]
10. […]… I\you asked …
11. yhwh, you ask me. Thus said the Lord of Hosts:
12. […]… from my(?) house, Israel, and I will tell the greatness(es?) of Jerusalem.
13. [Thus] said yhwh, the Lord of Israel: Behold, all the nations are
14. … against(?)\to(?) Jerusalem and …,
15. [o]ne, two, three, fourty(?) prophets(?) and the returners(?),
16. [and] the Hasidin(?). My servant, David, asked from before Ephraim(?)
17. [to?] put the sign(?) I ask from you. Because He said, (namely,)
18. [y]hwh of Hosts, the Lord of Israel: …
19. sanctity(?)\sanctify(?) Israel! In three days you shall know, that(?)\for(?) He said,
20. (namely,) yhwh the Lord of Hosts, the Lord of Israel: The evil broke (down)
21. before justice. Ask me and I will tell you what 22this bad 21plant is,
22. lwbnsd/r/k (=? [To me? in libation?]) you are standing, the messenger\angel. He
23. … (= will ordain you?) to Torah(?). Blessed be the Glory of yhwh the Lord, from
24. his seat. “In a little while”, qyTuT (=a brawl?\ tiny?) it is, “and I will shake the
25. … of? heaven and the earth”. Here is the Glory of yhwh the Lord of
26. Hosts, the Lord of Israel. These are the chariots, seven,
27. [un]to(?) the gate(?) of Jerusalem, and the gates of Judah, and … for the
sake of
28. … His(?) angel, Michael, and to all the others(?) ask\asked
29. …. Thus He said, yhwh the Lord of Hosts, the Lord of
30. Israel: One, two, three, four, five, six,
31. [se]ven, these(?) are(?) His(?) angel …. ‘What is it’, said the blossom(?)\diadem(?)
32. …[…]… and (the?) … (= leader?/ruler?), the second,
33. … Jerusalem…. three, in\of the greatness(es?) of
34. […]…[…]…
35. […]…, who saw a man … working(?) and […]…
36. that he … […]… from(?) Jerusalem(?)
37. … on(?) … the exile(?) of …,
38. the exile(?) of …, Lord …, and I will see
39. …[…] Jerusalem, He will say, yhwh of
40. Hosts, …
41. […]… that will lift(?) …
42. […]… in all the
43. […]…
44. […]…

Column B
(Lines 45-50 are unintelligible)
51. Your people(?)\with you(?) …[…]
52. … the [me]ssengers(?)\[a]ngels(?)[ …]…
53. on\against His/My people. And …[…]…
54. [… ]three days(?). This is (that) which(?) …[… ]He(?)
55. the Lord(?)\these(?)[ …]…[…]
56. see(?) …[…]
57. closed(?). The blood of the slaughters(?)\sacrifices(?) of Jerusalem. For He said,
yhwh of Hos[ts],
58. the Lord of Israel: For He said, yhwh of Hosts, the Lord of
59. Israel: …
60. […]… me(?) the spirit?\wind of(?) …
61. …[…]…
62. in it(?) …[…]…[…]
63. …[…]…[…]
64. …[…]… loved(?)/… …[…]
65. The three saints of the world\eternity from\of …[…]
66. […]… peace he? said, to\in you we trust(?) …
67. Inform him of the blood of this chariot of them(?) …[…]
68. Many lovers He has, yhwh of Hosts, the Lord of Israel …
69. Thus He said, (namely,) yhwh of Hosts, the Lord of Israel …:
70. Prophets have I sent to my people, three. And I say
71. that I have seen …[…]…
72. the place for the sake of(?) David the servant of yhwh[ …]…[…]
73. the heaven and the earth. Blessed be …[…]
74. men(?). “Showing mercy unto thousands”, … mercy […].
75. Three shepherds went out to?/of? Israel …[…].
76. If there is a priest, if there are sons of saints …[…]
77. Who am I(?), I (am?) Gabri’el the …(=angel?)… […]
78. You(?) will save them, …[…]…
79. from before You, the three si[gn]s(?), three …[….]
80. In three days …, I, Gabri’el …[?],
81. the Prince of Princes, …, narrow holes(?) …[…]…
82. to/for … […]… and the …
83. to me(?), out of three – the small one, whom(?) I took, I, Gabri’el.
84. yhwh of Hosts, the Lord of(?)[ Israel …]…[….]
85. Then you will stand …[…]…
86. …\
87. in(?) … eternity(?)/… \
\

]]> By: Charlie http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6910 Charlie Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:51:43 +0000 http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6910 http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/rfforum/show_single_post?pid=27206390&postcount=21 http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/rfforum/show_single_post?pid=27206390&postcount=21

]]> By: Tom Gilson http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6905 Tom Gilson Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:20:16 +0000 http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6905 No, Ed, my information is second-hand. Do you have a link to the translation? No, Ed, my information is second-hand. Do you have a link to the translation?

]]> By: Ed http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6904 Ed Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:03:10 +0000 http://www.thinkingchristian.net/2008/07/gabriel-revelation-the-stone-tablet/#comment-6904 Tom said... "It is a stone tablet, dated to sometime in the 1st century BC, that tells of a Messiah killed and resurrected after three days. It will undoubtedly stoke the imaginations of those who think the Jesus story was concocted out of various dying God myths." Tom, have you read the translation on which this interpretation is based? It takes a lot of imagination in the first place to find anything in the text about a Messiah being killed and resurrected after three days. Far too much is being made of this. Tom said…
“It is a stone tablet, dated to sometime in the 1st century BC, that tells of a Messiah killed and resurrected after three days. It will undoubtedly stoke the imaginations of those who think the Jesus story was concocted out of various dying God myths.”

Tom, have you read the translation on which this interpretation is based?
It takes a lot of imagination in the first place to find anything in the text about a Messiah being killed and resurrected after three days. Far too much is being made of this.

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